Go Manual

[Jezza]

Will it be converyed to manual? In my opinion it should be manuals have more power and are more fun

[Chris5.7ltr]

Manual's don't give you car more power dude,and times will suffer on te 1/4.;)

[Invincible]

And besides 97% of commodore owners with v6's out there probably have autos.... so converting it to manual would suck for 97% of them lol

[blownvn]

Manual would make the car slower, ask any drag racer.

[FLI355]

As much as I hate automatic gearboxes, its the only way for consistent and fast 1/4 mile times. So therefore as the other guys said (plus the fact almost every V6 commodore is auto like invincible said) its much more effiective to stay automatic especially considering the times VN vengeance is heading towards.

[Kransky]

has anything been done to the auto or is it still stock??

[John]

umm its been modified umm all i can remember it the got a new tourqe converter or somfin like that anywayz and yes having a manual on a drag car is stupid

[STEVE]

Tell me if i'm wrong, but i've been told by a few people and i'm sure i even read in a previous sc mag that you can put a bigger cam in a manual car than you can in an auto, so in theory couldn't a manual potentialy be faster than an auto due to this?

[fred]

I can't remember the exact details of the T700 box that Vengeance runs, but it was a full build up. Should be able to handle 550+hp. Was built by Craigs Automatics. The stall converter is a Dominator 3000rpm stallie without the Lock Up feature.

[blownvn]

Originally posted by STEVE
Tell me if i'm wrong, but i've been told by a few people and i'm sure i even read in a previous sc mag that you can put a bigger cam in a manual car than you can in an auto, so in theory couldn't a manual potentialy be faster than an auto due to this?


You're wrong.:D

[Wretched]

The 'box has been rebuilt and extensively modified.

[jheaton]

Bigger cam not possible due to the fact that the Bumps can only fit through the holes and bearing running right the way thorugh any bigger then certain size will get stuck and therefore wont fit

[Bionic]

Originally posted by jheaton
Bigger cam not possible due to the fact that the Bumps can only fit through the holes and bearing running right the way thorugh any bigger then certain size will get stuck and therefore wont fit


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[blownvn]

In repsonse to the original question we are actually manualizing the transmission today. Next week should be interesting at the track.

[jr gumby]

do you use a transbrake if not why dont you use one

[IfFy]

blownvn

whats it like to drive a manualised auto around as a daily driver???

does it get a bit annoying at times?

[blownvn]

Haven't got it back yet because I haven't had time to pick it up.

I'm sure It will bug me a little but it couldn't be worse than driving my 4-speed manual Centura around, you can't sneak anywhere in that thing, it idles at 1500rpm!

[blownvn]

Originally posted by jr gumby
do you use a transbrake if not why dont you use one

I don't really want to go down that road, one because of the expense, two because I like my diff just the way it is, not scattered in peices at the startline. Transbrakes are good for racing but they are hard on the driveline, especially tailshaft, uni joints and differential.

[[TUFFVQ]]

Scott,
I seem to remember asking you if you'd go manualised a few months ago, and your reply was something like - "Nah because i've had a manualised auto before and it really shits you after a while..." :p

[blownvn]

I know, but circumstance demand it now. As they say "Never say Never"

[Locksmiff]

Originally posted by jheaton
Bigger cam not possible due to the fact that the Bumps can only fit through the holes and bearing running right the way thorugh any bigger then certain size will get stuck and therefore wont fit

Originally posted by Bionic
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: They are right to a degree. If the lobes are to big, they wont go through the bearing holes. If you menage to get one in, it wont stop it spinning, the bigger lobes that is, as no lobes sit in the bearing hole ;)

[Chemicals]

Technically speaking a manual car has less dirvetrain resistance than an auto, so u get more rear wheel kW than with the same powered engine in an auto. So there-more power must be good, not all the time. A maual engine gearbox is faster than a conventional auto around a race track with some corners in it (unless its one of those semiautomatic F1 boxes).

As for drag racing the manual is not even in the hunt. Autos crap all over manuals, and are less severre on the drivetrain. With an auto U have more control over the variables, and the shift action is much more repetable. If U'd ever driven a powerful rear drive manual and had the back step sideways on a 2nd-3rd shift well then U know how unpredictable manuals can be.

The only adv manuals have over an auto on the strip is they can launch a low powered car off the line to that 10% traction/slip point. If U have ever "launched" a std 4cyl auto, well then U know what I mean.

[VQCapricedude]

Well some freinds I know online think that having a turbo car like a evo or watever is better to have a manual for drag racing, even when u tell them straight out they don't understand, I mean one guy thinks that Autos change gears to save fuel.

[Invincible]

Originally posted by VQCapricedude
Well some freinds I know online think that having a turbo car like a evo or watever is better to have a manual for drag racing, even when u tell them straight out they don't understand, I mean one guy thinks that Autos change gears to save fuel.


for an evo you would be better off with a manual, simply cause you can launch at high revs because of the all wheel drive, and i dont see how an auto would be able to take any where near as much advantage of this as a manual would...

So with an all wheel drive id say yes manual good

But for a high powered all wheel drive car, i agree with chemicals on the fact you will not get anywhere near as much advantage as driving an auto....

Alot of variables involved of course..

[blownvn]

Turbo cars actually launch better with auto's, something the ricer brigade is starting to learn.

A stock auto awd car will be slow out of the hole but if you modify the auto correctly there should be no problem with whipping the manual cars arses.

[Warboat]

The only reason a lot of stock autos are slower is because the manufacturers use taller ratios (especially 1st gear). Luckily, for VN+ Commodores, they didn't use some stupid tall 1st gear ratio in the TH700/4L60e compared to the manual. Coupled with torque converter multiplying effect, auto commos snot manual ones off the line most of the time.
If they put an auto in an EVO with comparable ratios to the manual, you'd find it would beat the manual EVO down the 1/4. I have a friend with a fast EVO, they have a close ratio box and he hits 5th down the 1/4! 4 gear changes, say 0.3s per gearchange (having seen datalogging on manual cars, this is an optimistic figure!), that's 1.2sec of no acceleration. Autos can accelerate WHILE changing gears, manuals cannot.

[The_Plague]

Originally posted by blownvn
Manual would make the car slower, ask any drag racer.

and true, no clutch in an auto.
I read in another topic that you are only launching at like 1500rpm, despite have a 3000rpm converter?
Why not a ****** converter if its not a daily driven car?

you are a game man fully manualising it, Stge 3 where few go, i had a manualised TH350, for a while, seems they don't like the backshift as much as a manual would, not that I am doubting the strength of the auto box, I still use TH350's, I just don't know why you wanted the auto shift function removed.

[The_Plague]

Originally posted by blownvn
Turbo cars actually launch better with auto's, something the ricer brigade is starting to learn.


dude, can you keep it a secret, do they really need to know, most "ricers" with auto crave a manual for whatever reason, they even put their cars in Neutral at traffic lights and let it roll back to mkae others think its a manual.

[blownvn]

Originally posted by The_Plague
and true, no clutch in an auto.
I read in another topic that you are only launching at like 1500rpm, despite have a 3000rpm converter?
Why not a ****** converter if its not a daily driven car?

you are a game man fully manualising it, Stge 3 where few go, i had a manualised TH350, for a while, seems they don't like the backshift as much as a manual would, not that I am doubting the strength of the auto box, I still use TH350's, I just don't know why you wanted the auto shift function removed.

A stock or lower speed stall would probably be better for us at the moment but we've set it up for when the turbo goes on.

It only took a couple of day to get used to driving it daily with the full manual but we had to because of the shifting issues which were slowing us down.