Project Turbulence - Back in a big way!

[CHRGD6]

Name: Liam
Model: VL
Colour: white
Bodykit: none
Engine Type: RB30ET
Engine Mods: Hypertec pistons and chrome moly rings (apparently), reconditioned head, T3/T4 turbo, Plazmaman 'Raw' intercooler piping kit, FMIC
Power: it's getting there
Exhaust: standard turbo manifold, custom dump / front pipe, 3in exhaust
Gearbox: MX7 5sp, short shifter
Diff: N/A disc diff
Brakes: PBR Performance upgrade kit, 330mm slotted and ventillated rotors and C3 twin piston calipers (front), standard sized rear arrangement
Suspension: Ultraride Superlow springs all round, Ultraride heavy duty shortened bore shocks, Nolathane Adjustable panhard bar, Nolathane adjustable strut tops
Wheels/Tyres: 18in Zenetti Kaotics, 235 tyres front, 245 rear
Interior: VS seats, rear trimmed to match front, black super plush pile carpet, sports wheel
Other Mods:
Stereo: Clarion DB246 CD player, Clarion 6” in custom front door pods, Clarion 6” in parcel tray, Clarion 400W monoblock amp, two Clarion 12” single voice coil subs in sealed enclosures



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[CHRGD6]

I'll put up more shots of the interior when I get a chance to clean it and finish it off. It's getting lowered in the next week or two when it goes in for a rego service. Let me know what you think

[afrothunder]

interior looks real neat form the pics shown. i like it.

[CHRGD6]

thanks man. not quite there yet have some small things to do to finish it off...not going to give them away yet though

[cowgirl_vn]

Very nice vl! looks like its in a good condition, i love ur interior it looks awesome! nice work

[[TUFFVQ]]

Looks good, just needs rims and lowering and you'll be set!

[comidave]

dump it and get rim's,like the trim!!!!

[CHRGD6]

hey! wasn't sure what reaction the trim would get but im stoked with it now! ive got the suspension waiting to go in, i'm going to get my mechanic to install it all while it gets the rego service done so that should be a nice change when it comes back. as for the rims im sick of em now wanna move onto something a little less understated.
thanks for the feedback guys

[tinka]

mate looks great love the interiur

[CHRGD6]

hey mate, thanks for the feedback. theres still a lot to do - redoing the door trims, installing rear headrests, trimming the backseat to match the fronts and converting it to buckets in the process. the headlining bugging me also...

[sads]

Nicly done looks realy nice

[DRAGON]

Those front seats look in good nick! :p

[OFNDER]

lookin good mate

[rolladore]

sweet.:D

[Detrax]

Looking good keep us updated!

[CHRGD6]

Those front seats look in good nick! :p

lol they do don't they :p theyve retained their hape so well mate - best seats ever!

[NOT-EZI]

i want some seats like that, mine are shagged lol theres wires and shit hangin out everywhere

i reckon a new front badge would go nicely, chrome one off a vy or something, i hate those black plastic things

[CHRGD6]

i want some seats like that, mine are shagged lol theres wires and shit hangin out everywhere

i reckon a new front badge would go nicely, chrome one off a vy or something, i hate those black plastic things

haha yeah they sound like my old seats - ive never looked back, its up there with the best half day and $100 i spent.
i have a VS item hanging around and im in two minds about putting it on. what do you guys reckon i should do?

[CHRGD6]

Well I got the car back from rego just the other day. Not much has changed - I decided to take the 16's off and upgrade, so the car now sits on the old chasers (sprayed silver of course ;)). The front quaters have my mechanics greasy fingerprints all over them, and the car is badly overdue for a wash.

On another note, I start a new job on Monday so hopefully I can really get stuck into the car. It will be good to have some cash to throw at this thing

[comidave]

Well I got the car back from rego just the other day. Not much has changed - I decided to take the 16's off and upgrade, so the car now sits on the old chasers (sprayed silver of course ;)). The front quaters have my mechanics greasy fingerprints all over them, and the car is badly overdue for a wash.

On another note, I start a new job on Monday so hopefully I can really get stuck into the car. It will be good to have some cash to throw at this thing
get polished FR's mate would look clean as im thinking white trim for my calais but little different to yours keep the mods comin mate...

[SLYVH8]

looks good mate your trim looks mad good work

[budhaman]

looks cool mate....done well... :) well done with baggin the new job as well.....good luck with car and job ;)

[ryan m]

nice car man interior is nice

[Damo WA]

hey man was it difficult to get the new seats in or is it just a simple bolt out, bolt in job?

[krishin]

very nice mate that white is like it rolled off the show room looks tops

and welcome !!:)

[CHRGD6]

hey man was it difficult to get the new seats in or is it just a simple bolt out, bolt in job?

I actually did it a while back following a sticky thread in the top of the Trim section. It was an easy mod, have to swap two of the rails, and then its a simple bolt in. Took me maybe half a day to do...

[phatwagon]

interior is nice mate, good start. Very clean car.

[VS3800]

I love the interior, nice and neat. Also the tinted taillights look good too. Good work

[Yeti]

I hate white interiors. Guess thats what makes the scene so great. Good to see you did all that yourself, much better then anything i could do

[NOT-EZI]

are you putting a rb25 head in it? or full conversion or something?

[OFNDER]

ok Liam its been a while, done anythin new to the vl??

[stoney]

yeah liam, update your thread!

[FRY29T]

Geeze, those wheels look really familiar for some reason...:confused:

[CHRGD6]

Alrighty then, you've pressured me into it. There's been plenty going on, but rather than ruin the impact it will have when you read it in the mag and spill the beans here, you're
all going to have to wait! I can tell you that there's now five more reasons I enjoy driving the car, and that there's yet more to come. At this point in time we're looking for
someone to cut down the VT rear seat to fit the VL, and by my sound logic, if it's in a trim shop, let’s do something more than hack a late model bench to suit. We had the
VE Senator a while back, and I'm a bit of a fan of those seats, but then again you can't go past Coulsons - it's just a shame everyone has them.

Bigger brakes are on the way, and just the other week we had some cams rock up for the car. Now it's just a matter of sourcing some lifters and a turbo and we should be set to
get the driveline cracking. For those who are looking to attend Powercruise, I'm hoping to have a vehicle worthy of showing by then. New wheels are also on the agenda, so that
Chris can have his uber rare Zenetti Kaotics back. For those of you sick of the white wall trend we've stumbled across a way to take that one step farther, and
I'm looking forward to that one to say the least.

Apologies for the lack of updates, I was just going to let this thread die and rot a painful death, mainly based on the pics of the VL in the earlier posts. It looks
like this will be the place for up to the minute updates I suppose, so I guess just keep watching. In the mean time, here are a few photos we had lying around:

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[OFNDER]

looks good mate lmao " five more reasons I enjoy driving the car" i know what ya talkin about lol, good luck with it cant wait 2 see it finished,

[OvrSS]

wow let me know if u ever think of selling that beast man ill be super keen love it to pieces

[CHRGD6]

Well, just got back from Castle Hill Exhaust, where Dave was singing the praises of the engine combo we've chosen. It looks like the car will go there once the engine is in to have the exhaust and intercooler piping plumbed up, and possibly tuned on their in-house dyno. They've given some figures to expect out of the car, and they're much more than what I was looking for out of the car. In the mean time there's body work to attend to, which should see the body super smooth.

[Yiddo]

Cars looking good mate. The new rims suit it noicely. God I love Stoney's car :)

Is there any sort of competition going to be going on ? HAHA

[CHRGD6]

The VL was actually Stoney's mate's car which Stoney had down here to try and sell. Any one who saw the car would have noticed that it didn't have any for sale signs up, giving you some indication as to hard hard he was trying.

Stoney is currently building a black VL Director which is something cool and the cars will be kind of a pair - one white, one black; one a six, one an eight etc etc. As much fun as the 25/30 will be, and as stupidly quick as I hope to get it, Stoney has far bigger plans for his so even contemplating taking him on would lead to humiliation

[CHRGD6]

Well then, we all know how much you guys like updates, but rather than give the game away I'm going to make you guess. What's blue, comes as a pair, sorts out my VCT situation and will look totally trick bolted to the front of the 25 head?

I'm not really going to make you guess as we'd be here all day, they're OS Giken adjustable cam gears of course and after talking with Ben from Otomoto he's confident that this will sort of the lack of VCT. Instead of having the VCT solenoid and cam gear we'll be running gears that we dial in ourselves, and Otomoto tell us that there's great gains to be had with the aid of these little suckers. The 25 head is almost complete: we picked up the lifter on Tuesday, we've tracked down a fuel rail and the RB20 inlet cam, the valley cover and the CAS should all be here by the week's end. Exciting times for the old VL

[NOT-EZI]

sounds good mate, look forward to seeing the progress

[Drift Wagon]

Ahhh twincam Nissan power. You'l love it. I know i do.

[CHRGD6]

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it mate especially after talking to a few people running similar engine combos. I went for a ride in an R32 with the same set up I'm looking to run and it was just ridiculous - made better by the fact that it wasn't properly tuned thus not running ot it's full potential. Did Stoney get in contact with you?

[SVD-027]

its a really nice car. ive seen it outside the office at silverwater along with the vs and they both look so cool. good job. nice and clean.

[Drift Wagon]

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it mate especially after talking to a few people running similar engine combos. I went for a ride in an R33 with the same set up I'm looking to run and it was just ridiculous - made better by the fact that it wasn't properly tuned thus not running ot it's full potential. Did Stoney get in contact with you?
We've been playin round with an R33 at work, few mods and lots of fun!
Yeah he got in contact, waitin to hear back about date details. We're all keen as and cars are ready now.

[CHRGD6]

Awesome mate, should be a bit of fun

[OFNDER]

hey mate sounds like it gonna go great, cant wait 2 see it done, gonna have come up there and go for a cruise

[CHRGD6]

Yeah it'll be good fun when it starts, things are moving a little slower than I'd like at the moment, but it's taught me one thing - if you're going to buy a conversion or any part, make sure you buy it as a whole. Tracking down parts for the bare head we bought to keep costs down has inevitably come back to bite us in the behind and is really hampering progress.

[Drift Wagon]

I was going to do this conversion on my old VL. I bought a complete non turbo RB25 engine for $600 just to pinch the head off it, Then bought a T04 with a manifold to suit RB25 out of the trading post. Lost interest and didnt have the funds to go through with it and ended up selling everything including the car. Thats why this time i bought a complete running motor/gearbox package because im too lazy and it would have taken forever to build up a motor instead of the few days it took to whack in an RB20.
Good luck with it and i hope you dont give up like me.

[CHRGD6]

There will be no giving up mate, don't worry about that. We'll be seeing this through -it's the draw of a stupidly overpowered, utterly impractical daily power figure that keeps me going

[Drift Wagon]

Good to hear.

[CHRGD6]

After chatting with EMS there is a package in the mail from them - a new brain for the 25/30. We'll throw up some pics as soon as it lands.

[CHRGD6]

The good news just keeps coming for the VL. A quick trawl of the usual sources had us a complete intake manifold for $20, as well as a fuel rail and injectors that a mate had lying around. The RB20 cam, CAS and valley cover are yet to be picked up, but I'm hoping to have everything here by the weeks end so that we can bring you some progress shots. I really should sort out that turbo too...

[FRY29T]

EMS on yet? Dooooo ittttttt!!!!!!

[stoney]

is it finished yet liam?

[ATMO BT1]

hey mate it's jack from the cruise on sunday, nice thread well done mate all the best from here

[CHRGD6]

Thanks man, yours will be a potent bit of gear when it's done from all accounts

[CHRGD6]

For the first time in a while a package rocked up for the VL. A rather inconspicuous looking, brown cardboard box with the words 'Attn: Liam Quirk' scribbled across the top with black permanent marker. The box weighed next to nothing which had us all scratching our noggins, so naturally we were all keen to see what was inside this mystery box. In this day and age it could have been the last box we ever opened with the terrorists and whatnot, but luckily this box held the new brains for our Project VL and not some sus white powder.

In the box was a brand new, EMS 8860 which will become part of the electronics that keep the 25/30 ticking. It all started with an email to EMS outlining what was happening with the project and what we wanted out of it, for example; I wanted to eliminate problematic parts on the VL like the AFM and the CAS, and Manuel from EMS was positive that the 8860 was the unit for the job. Manuel was a great help, answering all of the ridiculously naïve questions I had and even helped by suggesting a few little tweaks and mods to trick this thing out a bit. This (http://www.enginemanagementsystem.com/prod01.htm) will give you a better rundown on the EMS features than I possibly could.

Not only have the supplied us with the unit, but they are going to help us develop a few trick little additions to the software which should see us logging and viewing vital engine stats as well as possibly tuning on the go thanks to a touch screen unit. It wasn't only the unit's functions and capabilities that sold me, but also the little things like this and the team's help that sold me on the 8860…besides, if it can handle carrying Dave Wilzig’s twin turbo VS into the 9’s then I have total faith that it can do the maths for this. We'll bring you more on tuning with the unit when that time comes, but for now just enjoy the unit like I am...

[ATMO BT1]

good computer Liam, same one i've got :)

Who's gonna tune it?

I would recommend Magic Performance in brookevale or Motortech in wollongong if you can be bothered going that far (they are both ems specialists AND vl specialists)

[CHRGD6]

Thanks man. No idea who'll tune it yet, the priority at this stage is getting the twin cam head on the car and this puppy installed. I heard you were running one, big up 8860 brother

[bewshay]

nice work liam!

when are the plans for the turbo... or none yet?

[CHRGD6]

There are plans, don't you worry about that. It's just a matter of tracking down some stock RB25 bits and pieces to get a base line figure. After that it's time for a little more fun

[CHRGD6]

Well before we had a substantial increase in power we thought it a good idea for our own safety to update the anchors. Tired at the best of times, the standard discs and calipers will be getting an overhaul before the end of next week. Tomorrow we're off to see some friends out Parramatta way who are doing a bit to the interior - we'll bring you pics as we get them :dancingna

[OFNDER]

Well before we had a substantial increase in power we thought it a good idea for our own safety to update the anchors. Tired at the best of times, the standard discs and calipers will be getting an overhaul before the end of next week. Tomorrow we're off to see some friends out Parramatta way who are doing a bit to the interior - we'll bring you pics as we get them :dancingna

commin along nicely mate, cant wait 2 see some more pics mate

[NOT-EZI]

whats happening to the interior?

better be white, and lots of it!

[CHRGD6]

Haha, there will be white, don't you worry about that

[NOT-EZI]

lol had me worried there for a bit

[pazzo vs 8]

very nice looks clean as , how did you go with wat you asked me .(about interior) .

[CHRGD6]

Didn't actually get in contact with him but the number is still floating around. The interior has been put on the back burner while we focus on the engine in an attempt to get it running by CFC - preferably much sooner. Everything is on schedule at the moment, so even if it doesn't look that pretty on the day it'll pack one hell of a punch

[CHRGD6]

Considering the condition of the NA gearbox we're upgrading. The boys at Desynz Motorsport have a VL Turbo box which I'll be grabbing from them so not only will it replace the dodgy, noisy box in the tran tunnel at the moment, it's stronger to boot and when it's rebuilt and filled with a gear set it should have no trouble copping the abuse the twin cam turbo mill (and the driver :p) can throw at it. Exciting times...will we be dosing by CFC?

[OFNDER]

hey mate sounds like its really commin together, cant wait 2 see it finish,

[CHRGD6]

Me either mate. We've given ourselves a dealine which should see the ball start to roll finally. How's yours coming along? Email some new pics

[HOLDEN-4life]

sound's awesome love the vl's

[MBHSV5]

hey liam are we going to be seeing all of this stuff in the mag? (RB25 head, turbo etc.)
the manual conversion was pretty interesting

[CHRGD6]

Of course you will be. I want to have the twin cam head on and the car running by CFC, which may be a little ambitious but if I get out and track down the last few parts we shouldn't have any worries. Thanks for the feedback on the manual conversion, it was a bitch to do but well worth it. Of course that GB will be coming out when the new motor goes in, as will the diff that we installed in 121, but meh, they were fun while they lasted

[OFNDER]

Me either mate. We've given ourselves a dealine which should see the ball start to roll finally. How's yours coming along? Email some new pics

when is the dead line??? or cant u say? got some new pics on my thread, havnt really done much lately, not much cash lol, check out my thread, we deffelny gotta go 4 a crusie 2 gether

[JBA05]

yeah so what size turbo r u going to be running on this setup????

[CHRGD6]

I was considering a GT35/40 but Rob from Garrett and everyone around here is trying to talk me into a T04Z

[JBA05]

I was considering a GT35/40 but Rob from Garrett and everyone around here is trying to talk me into a T04Z


ok sounds good i'm doing the same engine combo and was wondering at what rpm a 35/40 will come on boost to a t04z... any ideas...

[WKD-30T]

3000-4000rpm, depending on exhaust, exhaust manifold and inlet manifold, length of pipping etc etc :)

[MBHSV5]

T04z seemed to make mark montgomery's VL MILF go pretty hard.
what gearbox and diff will u be using when new head and turbo etc. is all installed?

[CHRGD6]

T04z seemed to make mark montgomery's VL MILF go pretty hard.
what gearbox and diff will u be using when new head and turbo etc. is all installed?

Rebuilt MX7 turbo manual box is the go we reckon. We've got an MX7 on it's way down, it should be here some time next week and then it's just a matter of sourcing a new clutch and lightened flywheel and getting the thing rebuilt and toughened up.

The tailshaft needs to be rebuilt and balanced which will connect the MX7 to the diff we installed in Issue 121. That diff should be fine for a while seeing as it's only got 30,000 odd K's on it, so we'll probably spool that and wait till it breaks when we'll take it as an omen to do the job right and splurge on a 28 spline.

The power figure quoted for MILF in the article seems quite low considering the ize of the turbo and the specs, most everyone we've spoken to seems to think that between 5-600hp out of it shouldn't be hard at all. Heaps is going on for the VL at the moment, here's hoping for dosing by CFC

[MBHSV5]

Cool. can't wait to see it all unfold in the magazine

Mark

[PREDATR]

how was the interior dash parts etc made white did you just paint them?

edit: if so what paint? was it spray can or did u get a crash shop to paint it?

[CHRGD6]

Pull the dash out. It's not that hard, a few bolts here, a few screws there. Prep it like you would any surface and spray it. I used $2 export paint on all the surfaces. I actually used primer on the crash pad but it didn't make any difference. Be sure to spray a few dusting coats before you launch into any full on coats to give the paint something to bind to. Take your time and like any job, don't spray it on too heavy. The job took me two days.

Alternatively you could look at getting it reskinned in the way that CHU88Y has had his done. You may want to get a smash repair place to paint it if you're not that handy with the cans

[[.nugget.]]

top project liam, i have been waiting for the magazine to do a worth while one ;)
Go the twin cams :) i loved mine, the sound is awesome and the fuel economy was even better.

Back into a single cammer now, getting a bit more serious with the new ul05en :)

be sure to keep us up to date with the progress mate, im interested to see how she goes. Oh, and unless you want 600rwhp, the 35/40 will do just fine, I honestly wouldnt bother with a t04z, on my new calais ive gone for a gt35r with the small .82 rear for ultimate response, but it should still hopefully get into the 10.30s

Brad

[CHRGD6]

Hey mate,
Have been pouring over your feature taking in all the specs to see what I'm going to need. I'll have to get some tips and pointers along the way I think. Keep us up to date with your project dude, sounding real cool. Garrett have been suggesting the GT40 which is bigger again but they reckon they can make it streetable. Hopefully we'll see 10s with the manual

[stoney]

Hey mate,
Have been pouring over your feature taking in all the specs to see what I'm going to need. I'll have to get some tips and pointers along the way I think. Keep us up to date with your project dude, sounding real cool. Garrett have been suggesting the GT40 which is bigger again but they reckon they can make it streetable. Hopefully we'll see 10s with the manual

only with someone skilled like me behind the wheel :p

[[.nugget.]]

haha stoney.

liam yeh 10s with the manual would be awesome, but your gonna need around 500rwhp i think lol. are you going to use the n/a bottom end and slap the head on? If you are, and im sure youd be aware but it ends up perfect comp ratio. My personal advice would be not to go too big a turbo, especially with the manual, a 35/40 will STILL get you there if you can drive. Although I do get envious when I look under the bonnet of my brother in laws calais and see the 1000hp GT42 that my tubo would probably fit in the mouth of haha. stoneys seen it. How did that footage come out stone Dr.

I also ordered my new plates today, 7FOUR7

[stoney]

']haha stoney, i couldnt drive a finger up my own ass.

liam yeh 10s with the manual would be awesome, but your gonna need around 500rwhp i think lol. are you going to use the n/a bottom end and slap the head on? If you are, and im sure youd be aware but it ends up perfect comp ratio. My personal advice would be not to go too big a turbo, especially with the manual, a 35/40 will STILL get you there if you can drive. Although I do get envious when I look under the bonnet of my brother in laws calais and see the 1000hp GT42 that my tubo would probably fit in the mouth of haha. stoneys seen it. How did that footage come out stone Dr.

I also ordered my new plates today, 7FOUR7

thats a bit strange brad..

[[.nugget.]]

stop editing my posts scott your abusing your privaliges

[H@me]

Looking good liam seen it on the DVD's and so forth wish i had the time to work on the dam car but with uni and work, n no money i am doomed, its looking good will go hard as powered by the rb30 can't beat them aye?
Cheers brother hamish

[88-ADM]

really nice, always liked VL's and this is a prime example of a tastefully modified one! Great work

[CHRGD6]

Probably time for an update I suppose. A few things to report:3

Did a Welsh plug the other night meaning that the head conversion got an inpromptue move along. Have given up on piecing together the bare head that I had and bought a complete head and spent the day yesterday at an unnamed Sydney workshop talking about the conversion. They've convinced us to throw some new slugs in with the motor apart and all we have to do it rip the motor out and drop it to them.

With the motor and driveline out it makes little sense to leave the bay alone as it's a sorry looking bit of gear indeed. There are a few dents and dings that need attending to so with the motor out what better time to give the body a freshen up and detail the bay a little.

New Suspension is in the pipeline and the sooner the new gearbox arrives the better as the MF5 is just about done. If you're chasing a manual box complete with clutch or the head shoot us a PM as they'll be up for grabs soon

[NOT-EZI]

good to see things progressing mate. wish i had the cash i'd grab the 5 speed of ya but anyway i'll just have to wait till my auto gives up and i'm forced to do it.

so how far are you going with the bay? do the fuse box and battery i reckon and fill some holes and it'll look a million times better

[CHRGD6]

good to see things progressing mate. wish i had the cash i'd grab the 5 speed of ya but anyway i'll just have to wait till my auto gives up and i'm forced to do it.

so how far are you going with the bay? do the fuse box and battery i reckon and fill some holes and it'll look a million times better

I'm thinking about tackling the fuse box and if we do we'll probably do an article on it, but we don't have the luxury of removing the guts from under the dash so it'll probably go into the glovebox. The bay will probably be smoothed and with the engine out I can get in there and hide and extend wires which needs doing pretty badly....yeah, it's shocking so while the car's getting paint it seems wrong to deny the engine bay of that privelege

[stoney]

sounds like its gonna be pretty slow

[CHRGD6]

Wheres the 'ROFL you're just jealous because even above mentioned workshop have made it their goal to be your slow Ute ' emoticon?

[stoney]

i dont believe they said that.. they did agree when i said id have to tow your POS out there

[BRI22A]

come on kids.....

nothing better than giving u reason to do it ay.... i hope my motors frys itself, then i will say, mum, dad, got no choice but big hp now

[09WNS]

your white VL looks nice keep up the good work i hope i can start my wagon soon but need money

[Yeti]

Still think project unreliability was a much better name for the project

[CHRGD6]

your white VL looks nice keep up the good work i hope i can start my wagon soon but need money

Thanks man. The great thing about VLs is that parts aren't hard to come by and wont set you back the earth. If your budget is small, start off small and do a lot of stuff yourself.

Still think project unreliability was a much better name for the project

Haha yeah as true as that name probably is, Turbulence is more marketable and personally, I reckon it has a better ring. Hopefully we'll be able to shift that image that VLs have accrued and remove a heap of problematic parts. Your wagon looks choice by the way

[WKD-30T]

this project is shaping up like one of stoney's big nights out :) ... hehe

go 35/40r Liam :D

[Yeti]

Haha yeah as true as that name probably is, Turbulence is more marketable and personally, I reckon it has a better ring. Hopefully we'll be able to shift that image that VLs have accrued and remove a heap of problematic parts. Your wagon looks choice by the way

PFT! Marketing? Why worry about that? Oh yeah the whole magazine thing...

Thanks for that, good to see it's being viewed :D Engine is off getting built at the moment, should be back with a few more goodies soon

[CHRGD6]

this project is shaping up like one of stoney's big nights out :) ... hehe

go 35/40r Liam :D

In jail or the gutter covered in his own spew? I don't get it :p
The turbo is still a matter of great contention. We'll decide one day...

PFT! Marketing? Why worry about that? Oh yeah the whole magazine thing...

Thanks for that, good to see it's being viewed Engine is off getting built at the moment, should be back with a few more goodies soon

Yeah, at the end of the day I like the ring too...and we all know VLs, if I insult it bad things happen and parts break. Send us through some pics of the wagon as things start happening, would love to know where it will end up

[stoney]

In jail or the gutter covered in his own spew? I don't get it :p


Your the one that gets us kicked out of clubs liam :D .. and i havent ever passed out in a gutter or spewed on myself..

and i havent been to jail, except that one time, but that wasnt my fault. hehe...

[[.nugget.]]

Any updates Liam?
Stoney stop filling this thread with utter trash or I'll have to tell the boys what you really did in jail

[CHRGD6]

Haha. Nice plates by the way mate. Updates...updates...well, a new head is on it's way down, a complete one meaning hopefully things should happen. If anyone knows where we can get some reasonably priced pistons from we'd love to know, other than that nothing really. MX7 arrived, have to do something about the diff and the motor should be coming out soon I suppose

[[.nugget.]]

lol cheers. Just grab a vlt 28spliner diff off calaisturbo.com.au and throw a minispool in her, they will hold a 9sec pass.

[CHRGD6]

Yeah was going to go that route. Undecided on spool or LSD, I think I'll do it properly and go LSD but tighten it rght up.

[Yeti]

LSD if it's a daily driver.... Spool's are very gay. Especially in reverse

[CHRGD6]

So I've heard. Factor in the whole legality thing and I'm kind of sold on the LSD

[Yeti]

Ever tried to do a U turn in a car with a mini spool? Worst thing ever, A mate has/had a mini spool in his BT1. Got pulled over and they heard the thing straight away.

Please bend over and prepare to be reamed

[CHRGD6]

Yeah, the reaming is something I don't think I could get used to...

[stoney]

liam, just cast your mind back to trips in the yellow VL in your avatar..

[CHRGD6]

haha yeah and then that night you swapped over to LSD coming down that hill in Top Ryde and it decided to lock half way 'round the corner...a truer 90 degrees to the gutter we couldn't have been

[WKD-30T]

In jail or the gutter covered in his own spew? I don't get it :p

i dont think stoney has ever passed out... the way i meant it was, starts of slow then gets really crankin later on down the track lol hmmm *casts his mind back to summernats 19*... out of nowhere, '$$$$ this im goin' out' didnt see him til 7am the next morning ALL $$$$ed up, some of the most violent sounds came from that toilet haha :p

Liam, GT3540R... you wont look back, perfect for street driven vl :) i think stoney would agree... if he actually kept that calais he had! lol

back on topic now... haha

[Yeti]

Liam, GT3540R... you wont look back, perfect for street driven vl :) i think stoney would agree... if he actually kept that calais he had! lol

back on topic now... haha

I would disagree with this, especially on a manual VL. Much better going the GT30 for a street driven manual VL

[CHRGD6]

I would disagree with this, especially on a manual VL. Much better going the GT30 for a street driven manual VL

It's really the power figures that the GT35/40 and the T04Z are pulling that are making them more lucrative than any other turbo. Garrett are under the impression that both of these turbos will maintain streetability, especially the GT35/40. It's still a toss up between the two

[Yeti]

It's really the power figures that the GT35/40 and the T04Z are pulling that are making them more lucrative than any other turbo. Garrett are under the impression that both of these turbos will maintain streetability, especially the GT35/40. It's still a toss up between the two

Yes the 35/40 is something you strap on so you can say you have massive amounts of power, but what's the point of having all that power if it can't be utilised properly?

From what I have seen the 35/40 just is not good for streetability unless there is a fair stall behind it. If you run a manual with it you are more likely to destroy clutches on a regular basis. The GT30 gives good response and has been proven to run 10's.

I suppose the question is, will you be using this as a daily and are you looking for power, times or streetability?

If your only after a weekend power horse go the 35/40, if you want something you can use on a daily basis and still have fun with on the track go the GT30. Talk to Jack (ATMO_BT1) from these forums. He's been alot of help to me when it comes to manual turbo's

[CHRGD6]

It'll be driven to the point where it no longer makes sense to drive it. I say now that it will be driven heaps knowing full well that the power will only be fun to a point where I'll go for more and the car will become too silly to drive.

The manual box has proved to be a stumbling block before but it's not something that we'll be giving up and we'll be working hard to make decent power through it, run some decent times but not have a car with the manners of a Frenchman.

Jack, shed some light...

[WKD-30T]

I would disagree with this, especially on a manual VL. Much better going the GT30 for a street driven manual VL

hence why garrett have more then one size rear housing, 0.63, 0.82 and 1.06, gt30 is a good turbo but many people seem to always wish they went 35r instead.

also a clutch to handle the abuse of 350rwkw or so,isnt that cheap, a mate of mine used a twin plate carbon one, 900hp capability and took a server beating, only prob... $3200 price tag! lol

[Stivva]

I will eventually be running a 35/40 with a 3500rpm stally. I think the combination of that and the new cam shafts to get some more torque should help.

[Yeti]

I dont know what the rules are concerning links but I asked the same question on here and got a rather poor response. Here is a thread from CT which has all the relevant info and discussion. Not just fully sick muzza's who have a cousin who has a mate who has done it but people who have done it also site sponsors who MAKE the products:

http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=106152

Have a real good read of it and you will see why the GT30 + Manual is a good option

[CHRGD6]

hence why garrett have more then one size rear housing, 0.63, 0.82 and 1.06, gt30 is a good turbo but many people seem to always wish they went 35r instead.

also a clutch to handle the abuse of 350rwkw or so,isnt that cheap, a mate of mine used a twin plate carbon one, 900hp capability and took a server beating, only prob... $3200 price tag! lol

Tailoring the turbo to suit our application will play a big part in getting a turbo like the 35/40 or even the T04Z to work with our combination. Garrett have suggested the T04Z which even I myself palmed off at first but it has something like 12 different rear housing sizes meaning that you can spec it to be remotely driveable on anything. Compare this with the GT35/40 which has but three, and factor in that it'll make more power effortlessly and it's virtues become clear. I think the main thing that disappoints people about the GT30 is just how streetable and well mannered it is - hell if I'd just shelled out for a new turbo I'd wanna be able to feel it but by all accounts the GT30 is a very stealth turbo; smooth in it's power delivery, subtle if you will.

The clutch will need attention, you're right. Adelaide clutch have knocked us up a killer combo including lightweight billet flywheel, heavy duty pressure plate and some spastic clutch which he reckons will hold the power we're going for. The Exedy one in the car at the moment is awesome and has copped no end of abuse but still feels like a fresh clutch, which has had me entertaining the idea of running one again, or even a brass button clutch but I think with the latter we'll start getting into the 'painful to drive' territory.

I will eventually be running a 35/40 with a 3500rpm stally. I think the combination of that and the new cam shafts to get some more torque should help.

That'll be a killer combo. You should land yourself right in the zone, however with aggressive twin cams you may want to go larger again? Maybe something to toy around with...

I dont know what the rules are concerning links but I asked the same question on here and got a rather poor response. Here is a thread from CT which has all the relevant info and discussion. Not just fully sick muzza's who have a cousin who has a mate who has done it but people who have done it also site sponsors who MAKE the products:

http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=106152

Have a real good read of it and you will see why the GT30 + Manual is a good option
A very interesting read man, a lot of guys would do well to read that thread. It's almost upon us to make the decision as to what turbo we go, and the past few posts really have thrown a few wildcards into the ring. That thread does paint the GT30 in a very positive light. Yes, we will be running manual and the GT30 will be more polite on the street but my concern lies with it's efficiency in producing the power - it'll no doubt make the power but I reckon it'll be on the edge whilst doing it. It makes sense to downsize and gain a bit of streetability, but by the same token it makes just as much sense to upsize the turbo and get the same amount of power without wringing the turbos neck, metaphorically of course as turbos don't have necks as such

[Yeti]

Yeah wasnt sure If I was allowed to post that up but it is certainly a very good read. All comes down to personal prefference in the end and how your going to be using it.

Let me know how you go with your clutch option. I am running an exedy heavy duty clutch and I will probably have to upgrade when the new engine goes in. I have looked at button clutches and I drove my mates BT1 which has one and while it is fun on the open road I would find it to be such a pain in the ass driving it everyday.

I suppose you have to sacrifice some of the driveability when upgrading power though so I'll be looking into it a bit more aswell

[stoney]

hell if I'd just shelled out for a new turbo I'd wanna be able to feel it but by all accounts the GT30 is a very stealth turbo; smooth in it's power delivery, subtle if you will.


im gonna disagree with that slightly L-dogs.. Ive been in a few with GT30s on them.. One that springs to mind is Andys blue one.. the only reason it may be smooth when coming on boost is that there are plumes of smoke coming from the back tyres as its broken out into major wheelspin..

[CHRGD6]

Again with the spanners...

[10sec_rx7]

Liam,

the 35r will only make around 520rwhp before it is out of air flow, the t04z will do 560odd, the T72 will do 600+ with out raising a sweat,

ive been there done this years back with our 200sx,
the best it would do with the 35r was 10.5@134, put the t72 on it and straight to 10.1@141 on the same boost (18psi)

there are lots of little tricks with these twin cam rb30's to make them go :)

[CHRGD6]

I remember you singing the virtues of the motors and running me through a few combos last time we were up there. 520rwhp and a 10.5 sounds like a pretty decent street car to me. We'll have to come up and see you guys and run over these 'tricks' to get it really going

[ATMO BT1]

when it comes to RB30ET i solemly believe manually powered cars cannot do much better for streetability than a .82 GT30, however once twin cam is thrown into the mix you could most likely get away with a GT35/40 .82 and make more power with simular response to that of a GT30 on an 30et.

Any questions give me a yell liam

[CHRGD6]

Haha, don't worry Jack you were already ear marked as my point of reference

[10sec_rx7]

when it comes to RB30ET i solemly believe manually powered cars cannot do much better for streetability than a .82 GT30, however once twin cam is thrown into the mix you could most likely get away with a GT35/40 .82 and make more power with simular response to that of a GT30 on an 30et.

Any questions give me a yell liam

gt35r with a 1.06 is the ONLY way to go with a twin cam, almost instant boost response with gob loads of power when everything else is right,

we were making 410rwhp on 11psi running 124mph with 1600kg weight,

we use the .82 on 2L 4CYL and they are not laggy all the .82 is going to do on a twin cam is kill the top end,

if you want lag then the t72 with a 1.15 split pluse housing will give you enough lag but will give you over 600rwhp and 140+ mph :)

[[.nugget.]]

Yeah I went the 35r with .82 on my single cammer, auto with a stallie and I'm thinking about changing to the 1.06 rear, the thing comes on boost like a standard turbo, i have fullboost (24psi) by 3200rpm.
Liam I'd be going the 35r with 1.06 or the 35/40 1.06

[BT13LT]

The GT35R .82 is good on the street with not much lag with a manual box. If you go too big a turbo on the track you will take too long to get on boost off the line and run a bad ET.

[[.nugget.]]

keep in mind liam is using twin cam head so it will bring the turbo on boost quicker

[ATMO BT1]

ah yes, turbos ARE good :)

[stoney]

just put a V8 in it :)

[CHRGD6]

I could, but then again no. That's what the VB is for :)

[stoney]

the VB doesnt have a V8.. its got a 253... ive seen V6's with higher capacity than that!

[CHRGD6]

Your face has got a higher capacity than that...

[ATMO BT1]

Liam doesnt know what he's talking about does he Stoney..

[DRF74]

if you need any agvice let me know i dont the twein cam i made 400 on 16 psi .. and with 12 psi and 360 hp i went 11.20 at mini jam hoping for somewhere around 25 or 30 psi and 600 hp for jambo up here in august so 10.00 should be ont he cars ithnk...

[CHRGD6]

10's are nice :D Sounds like a nice package mate, send pics

[stoney]

Liam doesnt know what he's talking about does he Stoney..

I totally agree, my face does have a capacity greater than 4.2L

[ATMO BT1]

hahaha dammit, it's like boxing with God i just can't win :(

[Yeti]

You NSW boys are wierd....

[MAD SV6]

laim let me know when the pads supplied in the pbr kit get close to wearing out and i get you hooked up with a set of ebc's

[CHRGD6]

Oh, thanks dude! What an offer! You'll be hearing from us

[Neo6]

wow didnt know anything about this, shows how long since ive been on here!

love the twincam :D has it been in any mags yet? i might track them down and have a read. Jump onto SAU for all your questions on 25/30 combos, heaps of guys on there will help you out. They all swear by PowerFC as an ECU tho.

You better go a 35/40 or bigger, dont soft out! :p

And do a R34 box conversion tech writeup in the mag aswell, i wanna do this one day aswell...

OR just take my car, and do everything ive been planning on doing with it :p

[CHRGD6]

wow didnt know anything about this, shows how long since ive been on here!

love the twincam :D has it been in any mags yet? i might track them down and have a read. Jump onto SAU for all your questions on 25/30 combos, heaps of guys on there will help you out. They all swear by PowerFC as an ECU tho.

You better go a 35/40 or bigger, dont soft out! :p

And do a R34 box conversion tech writeup in the mag aswell, i wanna do this one day aswell...

OR just take my car, and do everything ive been planning on doing with it :p

It's been here for a while now man! The project is yet to get underway, but I got word that the new head is on a pallet so that brings us one step closer. I'm on SAU and have read a few interesting things. Between here obviously, CT and SAU the conversion is pretty much covered.

35/40 is locked in, it's just a matter of when we can pick the turbo up. May look at running an R33 or 34 box down the track, but for now the MX7 will suffice

[ATMO BT1]

mx7 will be fine in the meantime, then if you wanna go to r33 (or 34, same thing) later on just change the starter motor, flywheel and clutch and you are away!

Remember the fastest manual vlt in nsw runs an mx7 (10.8), and the fastest manual vlt in vic does the same (10.6). In my experience the 33 is just alot nicer to shift.

[stoney]

put an ls1 in it

[CHRGD6]

mx7 will be fine in the meantime, then if you wanna go to r33 (or 34, same thing) later on just change the starter motor, flywheel and clutch and you are away!

Remember the fastest manual vlt in nsw runs an mx7 (10.8), and the fastest manual vlt in vic does the same (10.6). In my experience the 33 is just alot nicer to shift.

That's the consensus which is good news because that's whats sitting here! I was under the impression that the skyline boxes ran a 9 1/2in flywheel, just like the MF5 and just like what we'll be running in the MX7 :p...woops, said too much.

The MX7 is being rebuilt by BTA Motorsports in Campsie so hopefully Ali and the guys can get the box feeling good to shift, as well as nice and strong and not $$$$ off noisy like the current box. I would have run with an R33 box from the outset but this one came up at the right price and seemed like a natural transgression - that's another tech story down the line if I decide to change to an R33 box...

BTW, dude your car looks awesome. I know I spammed your thread saying it, but it does man

[CHRGD6]

mx7 will be fine in the meantime, then if you wanna go to r33 (or 34, same thing) later on just change the starter motor, flywheel and clutch and you are away!

Remember the fastest manual vlt in nsw runs an mx7 (10.8), and the fastest manual vlt in vic does the same (10.6). In my experience the 33 is just alot nicer to shift.

That's the consensus which is good news because that's whats sitting here! I was under the impression that the skyline boxes ran a 9 1/2in flywheel, just like the MF5 and just like what we'll be running in the MX7 :p...woops, said too much.

The MX7 is being rebuilt by BTA Motorsports in Campsie so hopefully Ali and the guys can get the box feeling good to shift, as well as nice and strong and not $$$$ off noisy like the current box. I would have run with an R33 box from the outset but this one came up at the right price and seemed like a natural transgression - that's another tech story down the line if I decide to change to an R33 box...

BTW, dude your car looks awesome. I know I spammed your thread saying it, but it does man

put an ls1 in it

Do some work. Find me a cheap LS1 and we'll put it in the VB

[ATMO BT1]

yes the mx7 runs a 10 inch flywheel and clutch to suit while the mf5/r33 runs a 9.5, people have made the 10 inch flywheel from an mx7 fit in a 33 box with a 10 inch clutch no worries, it rubs inside the bellhousing for a few moments but after that it wears itself a groove and is all sweet, i can't speak from experience but this is what i have heard from people i've met who did it before, sounds dodgey but years later and they haven't had any issues.

[Yeti]

Hey Liam, I was in talking to JPC on Friday and they are telling me to go the 35/40 with a smaller exhaust housing over the GT30. They said that the 30 will give more Lag than the 35/40 even in a manual :confused:

So much to consider.

[CHRGD6]

Yeah, there is a fair bit to consider. Granted that the stuff you read on the net has to be taken with a bit of caution but a lot of it s good first hand experience with the product. The best source though would have to be workshops like the above or anyone who's ever dabbled with the VLT as they have pretty good professional experience with it

[[.nugget.]]

liam, youve enspired me. im selling all my gear that ive just put on my car and going a 26/30 with a 1000hp ta45 :P

[ATMO BT1]

Liam you haven't inspired him, you've sent him stark raving mad lol

[CHRGD6]

Either way I feel as though I've made a difference. Jack, Stoney just showed us a very interesting article written by a very talented young writer. We're all very impressed.

Brad, I knew (read: hoped) you'd crack eventually. I'm keen to see the shell you picked up off Justin. Send through pics of the build too, it'll make the feature easier :p

Here and now though, some very big things arriving for the VL this week...namely one and half entire, new drivelines but that's all we're going to say.

[stoney]

Liam: tell me tell me..

brad.. your mad, the new setup should be sweet.. i remember back in the day when you made one of my first websites.. hehe.. i cant even remember what it was called.. lol..

jack.. i just found the sheep pics from summernats a few years ago of you and andy.. funny stuff..

[[.nugget.]]

stoney, it was street machine pics and i was about 14 ha ha.

Yeah i only decided yesterday morning at about this time, ive already put my order in for the bottom end, pretty much baught the head, baught the turbo lol, all systems are go

[stoney]

haha yeah.. i just checked and the link still works.. not that there is anything on there

[JBA05]

Haha I don't mind it being off topic, I was just razzin' you guys up. Just goes to show that no one else reads this thread :p


well that is not totally true i check for updates every day and have not been dissapointed yet:eek: :eek: but an update on the car soon would be nice:p :rolleyes: :confused:

[CHRGD6]

There's at least one, maybe two massive updates arriving today. We may even let you in on them!

[VTDOMINATOR]

Haha I don't mind it being off topic, I was just razzin' you guys up. Just goes to show that no one else reads this thread :p

I read this thread all the time lol !!! CHRGD 6 sent u a pm!!!

[stoney]

well?

[CHRGD6]

Still waiting on part 'T' of the update to get here but went out today to pick up a shiny new update complete with a red hat. Hoping to get it in, or at least start on it over the weekend which will sort out the blown welsh plug problem and see the VL back on (or all over) the road

[ATMO BT1]

Enough of this flip flop Liam what did you buy? haha if it's sorting welsch plugs then maybe you got a new bottom end?

[NOT-EZI]

hehehe i know all the secrets i feel so special lol

[CHRGD6]

Enough of this flip flop Liam what did you buy? haha if it's sorting welsch plugs then maybe you got a new bottom end?

What if I did Jack? Not just a bottom end either...

[ATMO BT1]

better still be 2997cc of displacement! (or more) haha

[stoney]

is the big secret the RB30ET motor you bought?:)

[CHRGD6]

*sigh*...yeah...here was I wanting to keep it under wraps

[ATMO BT1]

nice one Stoney, why don't you tell him the easter bunny isn't real while you're at it? Really ruined Christmas there didn't you Scott? haha

[JBA05]

is the big secret the RB30ET motor you bought?:)



so does that mean it won't be going twin cam now?????:headscrat :headscrat

[CHRGD6]

so does that mean it won't be going twin cam now?????:headscrat :headscrat

No, not at all. The single cam turbo motor, when we sat back and looked at it, was a logical stepping stone in the evolution of the car and if nothing else, gives me a chance to acclimatise to the power before going all out with the twin cam block. It also means that by CFC the car will have at least come some way from it's roots and gives us some progress to report to you guys. In my mind I wanted to have the twin cam working by CFC but when I realised that it wasn't going to happen I was just going to slap together a single cam set up. This set up came up at the right time for the right price and will fulfil our goal of 'dosing by CFC'.

On a side note, the new head arrived during the week which actually brings the twin cam set up that step closer. All the new set up is missing is a turbo which is more than I could say for the last head ache, which, although a great head if we could have just thrown aftermarket bits at it, was a pain to source factory stuff for. We got wind (hehe) of a gentleman who can screw together a basic twin cam set up for us which will suffice with factory parts while we build up the forged motor with the help of a workshop that shall remain unnamed until I wish to divulge it. This too represnts some pretty decent progress with the car (well, I reckon anyway) and to be honest is pretty exciting.

The new motor. The new motor was bought off the forums and contains all the right bits. I'm not going to go giving away the price, but it was cheap and I would have felt stupid for not buying it. As such I have an ATM receipt showing $20 available balance but hey, it's all fun and games. The turbo motor still has the standard T3 turbo and has apparently been rebuilt with Hypertech pistons and chrome moly rings, and as a bonus came with a front mount and custom piping to match the custom intake manifold. Some people may know whose it is, but let's keep that a secret ;)

nice one Stoney, why don't you tell him the easter bunny isn't real while you're at it? Really ruined Christmas there didn't you Scott? haha

Forgive him, he's from Goulburn.

Seeing as your eyes are probably tired by this point I'll wrap it up. It's good news all round this week, with Tom saying that the VB should be running and back in my driveway this week after having the carby rebuilt. I finally grabbed some pics when I was there over the weekend so I suppose I'll put up a My Commodore thread on it soon. I've gone from having no working cars to hopefully having two fully functional ones by week's end which means I can finally give Bec back her Corolla. I've become so used to the awesome power of the Hanoi taxi, I don't know how I'm going to cope getting back into a Commo

[NOT-EZI]

bloody hell stoney nice one...

nice deal on the motor too liam good work

[[.nugget.]]

Hey liam I'm selling a turbo that would go very very nicely on the 30et :D and cheap too. Let me know if your interested mate, it was making 24psi by 3200rpm on my 30et. and its got enough in it to easily make 450rwhp.

[CHRGD6]

How cheap is cheap Brad ;)

Before everyone goes and blames Stoney...nah to hell with it I was going to put a stop to it or jump to his defence but I can't be bothered :p

[CHRGD6]

As promised, some stuff on my VB http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/showthread.php?p=1471107#post1471107

[stoney]

nice one Stoney, why don't you tell him the easter bunny isn't real while you're at it? Really ruined Christmas there didn't you Scott? haha

*sigh..


*gives you all the bird...

[Yeti]

*sigh..


*gives you all the bird...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j44/Yeti_CT/mickey.jpg

[VTDOMINATOR]

Cheers CHRGD6 arrived just in time for a big weekend i'll have to throw up a pic when im sober on sunday night cheers.

[CHRGD6]

No worries man, sorry it took so long to get up to you dude. Enjoy!

[lowvh6]

coming along nicely liam cant wait to see the new engine in and what times it gets at wsid keep up the good work

[lloydy_23]

Hey Liam in street commodores live vol. 6 you put on a vt brake conversion kit.. how much did that set u back??

[CHRGD6]

I can't remember the exact value but it wasn't a cheap kit. In the vicinity of $2,000 seems to ring a bell, but worth every cent

[ATMO BT1]

with standard parts the conversion should leave you plenty of change from 900 doing it yourself. Liam used all killer aftermarket gear though, which would be well worth it.

[CHRGD6]

I got rid of some standard VT front brakes that I had (rotors, calipers, lines the lot) for $200. Grab some conversion hubs from Race Brakes and like Jack said - budget brake upgrade

[lloydy_23]

yea i was thinking of doing the upgrade put first i got to fix the common vl rust bubbles out of the rear windscreen

[ATMO BT1]

buy some new panels from rarespares and have them welded in, will get rid of any traces of rust quicksmart, also, use the VT front windscreen rubber to prevent rust from happening again in the future (vl windscreen rubbers look as if they were designed to hold water lol)

[lloydy_23]

yea i reckon there shockers.. on a another different subject though do you know how much boost the standard vl turbos make and how much boost do reckon i could get away with without getting a front mount intercooler??

[Oface]

have you got extractors yet???

[lloydy_23]

my calais turbo is as stock as they come from the factory lol... only thing not from factory are the walky rims and the gas system (so getting taken out and sold)

[ATMO BT1]

trust me mate leave the gas system, gas is the best in turbo cars if it's set up right, you can make just as much power as petrol powered cars and guess what... you'l be making your power on regular pump gas while they make theirs on race fuel c16 etc...

Standard they run 6/7psi

I wouldn't go over 9 psi without a cooler... cooler kits are $500 so it's just not worth it, wack one of those on with an exhaust and you can go 12-14psi not a worry in the world. Also don't forget to bung up your overboost valve.

[lloydy_23]

true so they roughly run half a bar.. i dont really like the gas its gutless as f**k and you have the problems of it backfiring through your airflow meter and blowing it up (yes it does happen).. with the exhaust ive heard alot of arguments about sizes.. which is better the 3" dump pipe then 2.5'' back.. or just a 3" straight through

[ATMO BT1]

3 inch turbo back is the only way, you shouldn't get inlet backfires if the car is tuned correctly.

[MBHSV5]

yeah my mum's (don't laugh) VT has the same problem with the gas backfiring.holden told us it just needs to be tuned correctly then everything should be fine. the airbox blew up a few times before it was tuned properly due to the backfiring

[CHRGD6]

OK, have a two minute break so I thought I'd drop a line to let you guys know how we're going. The motor is still sitting around at BTA, with the VL where I left it on my front lawn (actually that's a lie Dad moved it a foot back to mow). Next week things should start happening with the old stuff coming out and new stuff going in, including the new box and turbo motor with a freshly acquired T3/T4 strapped to it. Was pretty bored so started polishing and detailing the stuff waiting to go in including the catch can and intercooler, while the cooler pipes copped a coat of hammer finish black.

Wheels will have to be sorted before CFC and I'm hoping to nab a set of 19s. The body is a few different colours: the result of smoothing out some bumps. This gives me around six weeks to have the car painted, rolling on new wheels and effectively a complete driveline swap over. Who's willing to put money on the result? Either way this thing will be at Cruise for Charity bigger and better than ever. Looking forward to it!

Actually, stuff I'll take a camera home tonight and take some snaps of all the stuff so you guys can see where we are. How unfair is that making you sit through all that text without rewarding you with pictures

[bewshay]

yes very very unfair u PRICK!!! lol

sounds awesome Liam!

[ATMO BT1]

hey so what are you driving on the cruise liam? The vb or the vl turbo? We gotta get all our vlts lined up on cfc for a massive photo, would look very impressive i'm sure there will be heaps

[CHRGD6]

I'll be driving the VL without a doubt it's been almost two months since I've driven it. Either Bec or my dad will be taking the VB

[CHRGD6]

You're going to have to forgive me guys. These photos are off the phone in my dark, dank cavernous room. I forgot to pinch the work camera *woops*

Not much to look at at the moment but they should look tops on the car. You can just see the hammer finish pipes, they should look nice and stealth behind the front bar. Will have to get a shot of the engine and stuff, just pressed for time...even after we clock off :o

[ATMO BT1]

I'll be driving the VL without a doubt it's been almost two months since I've driven it. Either Bec or my dad will be taking the VB

unreal, i haven't driven my calais in 11 months now, and i get my licence back on the 27th July. Needless to say i will very much enjoy this cruise :D :D

[CHRGD6]

Man, they're shocking photos I didn't realise how bad they are. Oh well, they'll do in the mean time!

[BRI22A]

I'll be driving the VL without a doubt it's been almost two months since I've driven it. Either Bec or my dad will be taking the VB

if there taking vb then im there!!! hahah mmm beer!!!

damn it, u mean a car.

get ya vl out!!!

[CHRGD6]

if there taking vb then im there!!! hahah mmm beer!!!

damn it, u mean a car.

get ya vl out!!!

Pffft...cat piss. Everyone knows that Woodstock is the nectar of the Gods. Trust me, I'm trying to get it out. Things should really start happening - I've got to change an entire driveline and get the car painted before cruise for charity :o

[Bryceco]

Pffft...cat piss. Everyone knows that Woodstock is the nectar of the Gods. Trust me, I'm trying to get it out. Things should really start happening - I've got to change an entire driveline and get the car painted before cruise for charity :o

Changing entire driveline thats what i got a head of me with my vl sl only thing i got no dead lines damn i miss boost ;)

[CHRGD6]

Yeah. Lucky I'm not trying to do it on my own without the proper tools out the back of work like some others, because that would take a dog's age. Ali at BTA has kindly lent us his time, tools and space to do the conversion so it shouldn't take too long at all

[Bryceco]

yeah its taken me. 6months now to get it and do the swap im taken the best bits from my old calais and slipping into my sl

[NOT-EZI]

can't wait to see it all come together liam.

on another note i got offered a rebuilt turbo motor yesterday for $350. funny how these things pop up when you have no money lol. anyhow i'm happy with my na for now

[CHRGD6]

:O man that's too good to pass up! I'd buy it if it weren't so far away, not that I need another :)

[NOT-EZI]

lol yeah i thought it was a pretty good deal. it doesn't come with a turbo, and i'm unsure if it has the exhaust manifold and injectors and that. i'd have to hunt up a computer and my gearbox wouldn't last long, and my open wheeler wouldn't like it too much either.

so i just don't have the cash to do it properly or the room to get the motor and keep it till i do have the rest of the bits. bit of a shame but thats how it goes i spose.

[CHRGD6]

lol yeah i thought it was a pretty good deal. it doesn't come with a turbo, and i'm unsure if it has the exhaust manifold and injectors and that. i'd have to hunt up a computer and my gearbox wouldn't last long, and my open wheeler wouldn't like it too much either.

so i just don't have the cash to do it properly or the room to get the motor and keep it till i do have the rest of the bits. bit of a shame but thats how it goes i spose.

That's very true man, it would be a lot more involved than simply chucking in a cheap turbo motor. A lot of people would do well to read the above paragraphs and learn a thing or two

[Yeti]

So when your finished are you and Jack going to head to head?

SOHC V's DOHC
GT30 V's 35/40
"Any colour over silver" V's Single tone
Normal thumbs V's Scarily large thumbs

Should be a good one to watch

[CHRGD6]

So when your finished are you and Jack going to head to head?

SOHC V's DOHC
GT30 V's 35/40
"Any colour over silver" V's Single tone
Normal thumbs V's Scarily large thumbs

Should be a good one to watch

Haha yeah we'll give it a blat. I don't want to embarrass poor Jack though.

While I'm here I'll let you guys in on the good news. The car is going into BTA on Thursday to have the new T3/T4 fitted to the turbo motor and the motor finally dropped in in preparation for Charity Cruise. The 3in exhaust is painted up in high temp silver thanks to the guys at Plasti-kote who supplied us with some of their engine paint, so that should look pretty cool. We're yet to do the block in generic black, but no doubt it'll be looking good on the day. Exciting times, that's for sure

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[NOT-EZI]

sounds good liam, can't wait to see it in the flesh

[ATMO BT1]

So when your finished are you and Jack going to head to head?

SOHC V's DOHC
GT30 V's 35/40
"Any colour over silver" V's Single tone
Normal thumbs V's Scarily large thumbs

Should be a good one to watch

Pretty sure DOHC 35/40 in a lightweight SL would dominate a SOHC 30/40 in a calais :p

Either way i'm sure both Liam and I can go quicker than a 16 with our genuine 12 second cars, so there is no need to squabble :p

[[.nugget.]]

jack, never, ever admit defeat

[CHRGD6]

Seeing as we're going to need to swap yokes to suit the new gearbox I took a trip out to see Hardy Spicer today, returning with this baby. This was we can use the existing tail shaft and simply swap the yokes which will cut a lot of time and pain out of the process.

http://i9.tinypic.com/4vs6ge9.jpg

On a side note, Ali will be installing the dust plate when the new box goes on meaning that after, oh say 6 months without one there'll be a layer of protection for the gearbox, block and clutch alike. The car has been at BTA for nighe on a week now and I honestly couldn't be happier to see it anywhere else. We've given Ali the deadline of CFC, preferably a few weeks before hand which will give us enough time to paint the car. A lot of work needs doing to it, I just hope it gets there.

[[.nugget.]]

Hey Liam, just curious what an EMS 880 is worth brand new? And who is tuning yours? I'm interested in using one for my 26/30

[CHRGD6]

Couldn't answer you with any conviction Brad, but Jack seems to think that $2,400 should get you out of trouble for the unit, installation and a tune. Will we see 7FOUR7 at Cruise for Charity?

[[.nugget.]]

No it wont be ready by then, I'm aiming for early september, it just depends on how long it takes at the panel beaters i suppose, theres only so much that can be done.
Come on Calais Estate cruise on sept 16 and hopefully you'll see it.
It's a good cruise for the vl's, have a bit of fun up the highway and whatnot, but yeh nice spot for pics and that and a good day. ask jack about the details.
brad

[CHRGD6]

Jack's brought us up to speed with Calais Estate cruise, I'll be there for sure.

[ATMO BT1]

pff don't offload the explanation onto me, you brought it up, you can school him!

[[.nugget.]]

oh ok man, no polished comp housing for you.

Spewing just worked out I'm gunna be away for calais estate :(:(:(:(:(
so angry

[09WNS]

nice VL hope mine gets started one day

[CHRGD6]

With any luck mine will be getting started tomorrow. BTA are absolutely swamped but Ali has allowed Jack, Stoney, Sydney VL guru and all round mechanical mastermind Justin and myself to go down and do the swap ourselves. I'll let you all know what it's like to drive tomorrow night ;)

[ATMO BT1]

it's a VL mate, hopefully everything goes to plan :D

PS nice avatar, so glad i don't have to wear one :D :D

[CHRGD6]

OK guys; let’s fill you in on how the weekend is going.

Justin, Jack, Bec and I met at BTA yesterday at around 10 and got to work on the car by about 11. As you can see we’re right out the back, out of the way of BTA’s proceedings but we’ve got everything we need – an engine crane, our own tools, plenty of space, access to the parts washer etc. if there’s one thing that this weekend has taught us it’s that you can never ask for too much help, and I think that we’ve managed to assemble a more than able crew. Justin and Jack are absolute machines – methodical and calculated in their attack; hell, we had the engine out, the bay stripped of the loom and the bay nice and tidy before lunch time.

Lunch break consisted of a trip to Maatouks Racing, which just so happened to be around the corner and, just quietly, Anthony and the boys could not have been more helpful if they tried. For a workshop of that ilk they could simply have palmed us off but instead they took the time to help us source parts and have offered to help with a little custom work that needs doing today. For them to go so far out of their way for three dirty, greasy guys that just rocked up in a pretty shady looking VB is just phenomenal and speaks highly of them not just as a workshop, but as people too. We’re getting a little sentimental here, but we’ll press on. From Maatouks we went out to Liverpool exhaust to pick up one of their very shmick front pipes (seeing as the one we have looks appears to have copped some very cheap shots by some speed humps, to the point where there’s actually a hole formed). Returing to BTA, we found that Justin had begun Frankenstein-ing the two motors – tearing all the best parts off each motor to leave us with hopefully, one reliable one.

It was about 4pm by this stage and anyone whose gone looking for parts at this hour would know that most auto stores don’t open much past 3.30 on a weekend so it was back to see Anthony to source a few more parts. Once again the boys were only too happy to help and ceased their dyno tuning to custom make us an oil return line and give us a gasket kit that they had lying around. Back to BTA and thing moved along at a steady pace, with Justin tearing the motor almost down to a bare block, replacing all of the gaskets on the front of the motor and reassembling the thing before light escaped us. We left BTA at about 9 last night with Ali and the boys still hard at work tuning their cammed and turboed VE SS (which wasn’t a bad sound to work to, it certainly got the mood up). The motor sits on a pallet but six feet from the car needing the following before we drop it back in:

• Oil pickup, sump and sump gasket
• Flywheel, clutch and pressure plate reattached
• Gearbox bolted back up
• Turbo dump pipe modified

Into the bargain we need to fit the exhaust up and take the car out to Plazmaman to get Alex to knock us up some intercooler piping. With work set to be wrapped up today it puts us in good stead to have a running car by weeks end and puts us back on track for cruise for charity. All we need now is a splash of paint over the front end some time to clean her and I reckon we’ll be right as rain.

Photos thus far and updates of today’s work will ensue.

[CHRGD6]

I know I said it'd be in and that I'd update you yesterday but we had a little setback. Ali couldn't open up yesterday which meant that we couldn't grab the engine to finish it so it's still sitting out the back of BTA with the sump off. Those from Sydney will know that we have had a little rain which has got me a little on edge, fearing for my motor seeing as when I went down there this morning to check up on it the whole thing was wet. The intake, motor, turbo, dizzy, the assembled parts on the ground - everything had copped a nice shower; one it didn't need seeing as most parts had already come out of the parts washer. Nevertheless, we're going back tonight to at least fit the sump though it'd be great to get the flywheel and gearbox on and the motor in.

As soon as the motor is in the car will be off to Maatouks to have the dump pipe modified then we'll have to do something about cooler piping. Stressed much? You bet...

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The engine coming out. With Jack and Justin's help it wasn't a painful excercise.

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A hybrid concoction of parts - picking and choosing the best parts of each motor in search of reliability.

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Jack hard at work cleaning out the sump.

http://i11.tinypic.com/4ygac6b.jpg

Parts washers are cool.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4mmh992.jpg

Removing the rocker cover could have revealed years of abuse but the head appears to have been reco'd - clear of sludge and with little to no movement in the rocker assembly. Score one for the bad guys.

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How the motor sits right now: new turbo and gaskets throughout with a thorough degreasing, but minus a sump.

And finally...

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The combination of a hard day's work and a few too many choice bevvys over lunch got the better of some of us. Jack shows us the OH&S approved method of safely transporting headers around the work area

[stoney]

relax liam.. you stress WAAAAY to much man

[ATMO BT1]

you forgot to mention stoney showed up to watch for a good hour lol

[stoney]

of which i spent 20mins talking to the owner of the TT VE. i woulda just got in your way anyway jack.

[Yeti]

Jack had a bad day obviously. Lost his Mullet and was forced to Molest a set of extractors. And no thumbs shot?

[CHRGD6]

Oh, there's thumbs shots but they're all of Jack giving the thumbs up to my dodgy work - Jack with the back of my crank after grinding out the spigot bush, Jack with my leaking rear mains seal, Jack with the silastic that used to hold the new motor together, etc etc. Actually have a cracker of Jack laughing uncontrollably at my charcoal canister...

[Yeti]

Just blame Gavin

[ATMO BT1]

it's the easiest way :)

[CHRGD6]

The motor is in. After working at BTA till 12 this morning we finally dropped the motor in and it's given us a new burst of energy. Jack and Stoney ducked out to Plazmaman to pick up a set of their gorgeous intercooler pipes and I honestly haven't been able to stop staring at them. The workmanship is amazing, and for a kit called the 'Raw' kit it's bloody well finished. I was keen to use the dodgy pipes but Justin and Jack talked me out of it, and I'm glad they did. I'll try and get some pics up tonight of tomorrow of the kit.

There's still a solid night's work in the car. The dump pipe has to be modified, the exhaust has to be fitted and the loom needs to be connected, and that's not including modifications to the loom and plumbing up the cooler. We won't be able to finish it tonight, but it's looking good for Wednesday. Sorry about the lack of photos guys :(

[BRI22A]

well that just wont do liam, get it running now. what stage will it be up to on charity cruise day

[CHRGD6]

Running, and that's good enough for me :p. Not really, I mean it will be running but I was hoping to get the whole car painted. The best I can do now is get the front end redone and get the whole car buffed and properly detailed which may just bring it up nicely. I was hoping to have new wheels and haven't ruled it out yet...man that'd be nice

[NOT-EZI]

sounds good liam. get some pics up :D

[CHRGD6]

Was supposed to get pics today. It'll be done by tomorrow, all that needs doing is :

*the exhaust,
*some modifications to the loom which will be no problem,
*mounting and plumbing up the intercooler with the sexy new pipes,
*a few bolts here and there, including a bellhousing bolt and the gearbox crossmember bolts.

Will have some good shots up tomorrow guys.

[CHRGD6]

Saying something would only ruin this picture.

http://i12.tinypic.com/4ucnytf.jpg

[ATMO BT1]

So glad you got those pipes :D

[Yeti]

You don't need the exhaust on it..... Just run it with dumped pipes. The Po Po wont mind I'm sure.

Will we be able to see progress or will we have to wait 3 months for them in the mag?

[CHRGD6]

You'll see it first here